Integrate or Die: a work technology podcast
Exploring the intersection of technology, business. employee experience and the future of work. We talk with experts using technology to improve how companies build and manage workforces. We explore what works, what doesn't, where things are going, and what we can learn from the past when it comes to transforming work through technology.
Episodes

Jan 6, 2026
Jan 6, 2026
50 min
Steve and Jordan talk with Ben Granger using technology to understand and influence employee attitudes, engagement and commitment. The Chief Workplace Psychologist at Qualtrics, Ben is a pioneer and leading expert in the use of technology and data to understand and act on employee experience, perceptions, and attitudes. We go much deeper into the true purpose of employee listening technology and the fact that the way in which organizations operationalize employee matters a great deal. Some things we cover:
+ Why trust is at the heart of the employee experience
+ The difference between employee listening and monitoring. The former build trust and the latter often does the opposite.
+ Employee listening is about honest conversations. When we conflate this with evaluation listening data becomes corrupted
We also learn what nutria rats are and what nutria rats have to do with employee listening.

Jan 5, 2026
Jan 5, 2026
44 min
Steve and Jordan talk with Adam Greenberg about using technology to manage employee shift schedules. Adam is President and CEO of MakeShift and is a leading figure in using technology to reimagine how companies manage employee’s time. Some things we cover:
+ Why scheduling is far more complicated than people realize
+ How methods used to manage work schedules impact employee morale and team building
+ The diverse data used for workforce scheduling from weather forecasts to employee skills
We also go down memory lane when Jordan reveals he had a Diner’s Club card and Steve talks about the movie “Clockwise”.

Jan 1, 2026
Jan 1, 2026
56 min
Steve and Jordan talk with Thomas Otter about the current state and future growth of the HR technology market. Thomas is a General Partner at Acadian Ventures, a company the funds the growth of HR technology companies. During his career he has held almost every type of job in HR technology one could have including leading product management for one of the largest HR technology companies on the planet. Some things we cover:
+ Workforce analytics and why HR should be making it more of a priority
+ The underestimated impact that AI will have on work and how people are managed
+ Why team building and team dynamics is an area in need of technological innovation
We also learn that the very first HR technology system in England was created in 1951. Guess what function it served? And Steve is told what would really happen if psychologists ruled the world.







